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ARTIST PROFILE
Name: Katie Cooke
Hometown: Edinburgh, Scotland
Interests: Photography, Writing, Book Making, Travel
Website: slowlight.net
Posted: 05.21.07
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Long Exposures
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Self Portraits
Balancing Act
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CK → When I first got involved with Flickr, I remember discovering a very mysterious and interesting photographer that went by the name Heyoka. Katie seemed to catch light like I had never seen before. I was intrigued with how she would sit through these long exposures to condense time into one single image. Her creative process inspired me to push my own pinhole photography.

After interviewing Nicolai Morrison, talking with Katie seemed like the next logical step. Fortunately Katie agreed to do the interview with me. My initial idea was to ask her one question at a time via email. This way she could focus on that question and email me back when she felt comfortable with her answer. At that point, I would move onto the next question. For some reason, this process of communication seemed cold and detached. Coincidentally, I had just started using iChat and thought it might make the process more one-on-one.
We would "chat" back and forth until the next question surfaced. I would soon find out that Katie had more talents than I originally imagined: she's a photographer, graphic designer, web programmer, writer, book maker and all around nice person. I hope you find this interview as inspiring as I have.


CK

Katie

You have so many wonderful self portrait images, what goes through your mind as the pinhole slowly captures your image? Do you decide how you are going to shapeshift in front of the camera before or during the exposure?

I started making pinhole photographs two summers ago when I was stuck at home, recovering from a hip replacement, and bored senseless. I was pretty limited—only allowed to walk on one leg—so, where I'd usually have gone for long walks around with a camera, I was stuck. You can't hold use a regular SLR camera and stand up with crutches at the same time. I tried, almost dropped the camera into the river, wobbled madly and almost fell in myself. I'd played with pinhole cameras a little before, but never got beyond the "whoa, cool! I made a picture with a cardboard box!" level of ambition. But I figured that using a camera that I didn't have to hold to use was a good plan. In the past, I'd balanced it on benches, tied it to trees, and taped it onto a gate. I dug out the old kit, and thought I'd have a couple of days of fun before the novelty wore off again.

That weekend I took a couple of pictures of Snarl, and a couple of the garden. The instant gratification of dunking paper negs into developer in my high tech darkroom—trays balanced on the cistern in the windowless bathroom--got me experimenting fast. Taking a picture, seeing what you've got, and making another to try to improve it is a seductive cycle.

The next day, I turned the camera on myself.  On a practical level, the slowness of paper negatives in a pinhole camera meant I could set the camera up on a table, open the shutter, hop backwards, sit still for a couple of minutes, and then get up and finish the exposure by sticking the gaffer tape over the hole again. The first one that coalesced in the developer almost knocked me off my feet. I always hated photographs of me. Ever since I was about six or seven, I've been hiding from cameras. I never recognized the image as me, and refused to believe that I looked like the person that other people took pictures of. They never matched the pictures in my head. This one, though, this one was different. Through pure beginner's luck I'd managed to make a photograph that looked like my idea of me.

The next few, obviously, were disasters. But I was hooked, and had one of those exhilarating itches that your brain won't let go of until it's properly scratched. I spent the next few months doing almost nothing but making pinhole photographs of myself, trying to work out what worked, and why it worked, and what was going on in these pictures. Being almost immobile was, for once, an incredible advantage, because sitting still was easy. To begin with, I went for the most stillness I could, looking at the way that the tiny unavoidable movements smoothed things out. The anomalies get softened, and you're left with something like a memory of  a face. You can never be entirely still—you're always breathing, your expression shifts minutely—and that balance between stillness and life somehow gets stuck into the particles of silver.

One image can hold all the light, all the life, from several minutes. It's a far cry from that flash-frozen 1/500th of a second snap that gets you halfway to a dorky smile. Then I started to play a little bit more: how much movement can you hold in a still image? What is too fleeting and vanishes? What happens when you leave multiple ghosts of yourself in one picture, does it build up a more complete picture of alternate selves? What shows on your face when you think about something in particular for several minutes at a time? What happens when you use fluid movement, and what happens when you move through different states or positions? How can you change, deliberately change, your appearance with nothing but slight movements? Can ordinary mortals shapeshift?

Some images are very carefully planned in advance and staged, but a few exposures into a session, if I'm lucky enough to hit the flow, ideas just start piling on top of each other, and I get a sense of the next step to follow. It's a chain of "what if" that builds on all the ones I made before.

I'm still exploring and playing with all these ideas, but more than anything I'm still trying to make pictures that show how I remember faces.

The image you picked up on, with the swirling, came from one afternoon of playing with extremes. It was the first day for months I'd been able to stand without crutches, and put any weight through my bad leg, so I was in a huge rush of happiness. I wanted to move as much as I possibly could, so I held the camera at arm's length and span around a couple of times, trying to catch a sense of the rush I was feeling at that moment. I love that picture, because it's the closest I'll ever get to expressing how incredibly free I felt that day.

The Balancing Act series comes from the same starting point. I was showing off to Snarl one day: see Katie perform the astounding trick of standing on her own two feet! See her walk, unaided, in a straight line! See her kneel down! See her stand on a tiptoes on a chair! It felt like a slightly insane circus act, more exhilarating than tightrope walking without a net. That turned into a set of pictures I've been working on for over a year now. They began as an odd personal celebration of regaining the ability to control my movement. Rather than using a light metre and timing these pictures based on "correct" exposures, they were all timed on how long I could hold a particular position—not just hold completely still, but hold without stumbling or hurting—trying to make images of the edges of my ability to do normal things. Late last year, as my hip started to fail again, these edges contracted, and just standing up was a challenge. The final picture in the current set was taken a few days before I had to go back into hospital for more surgery, and was made of pure determination to stay upright for a few more minutes. Hopefully in a few months I'll be able to come back around the circle again.


CK

Katie

We all have people and places that influence us, what are some of yours?

 

About eight years ago I saw an exhibition of photographs by Clementina, Lady Hawarden at the V&A that blew me away. Her work was a private, closed world, full of this obsessive gaze. It's full of mirrors and windows and women merging with an eerily emptied out domestic space. There are some parallels with the strange, intensely private worlds of the children photographed by Lewis Carroll (something of a fan of Hawarden), and even more with Francesca Woodman's work which I first saw just a couple of months earlier. I struggle to find words to explain my reactions to other people's photographs, just as I do with paintings. How can you explain how and why Rothko's paintings twist your emotions inside out?

Woodman's photographs make me uncomfortable, almost itchy, and full of wonder. Again, it's an obsessive game with space and self and identity and appearance and finding the edges. They seem to ask a whole stream of questions that never get answered, and that keeps me
looking at them.

I love Wim Wenders' films, Jim Jarmusch's, and David Lynch's, Jean Vigo's, and some of Peter Greenaway's for the same reasons. There's a Japanese film called Afterlife, too, which gets me in exactly the same place. They leave all me reeling and intoxicated and hungry.

A terrible admission, though, is that I really don't like Ansel Adams' work. It's so perfect, and so remote it makes me step too far back and ask "how did he do this?" rather than "why did he do this?"

I've got a mad love for Renaissance portrait painting, and was lucky enough to spend several years living five minutes walk away from the National Gallery, and the National Portrait Gallery so I could go and stare happily at, maybe, a single Van Eyck for an hour, and not feel like I had to do my duty and see an acre of images at once until my eyes overflowed. Luxury!

Woodman, Hawarden, Carroll, and Julia Margaret Cameron are obviously huge influences on what I've stumbled into doing. Hiroshi Sugimoto's another, though less obvious maybe, but who else takes photographs of time like that?

Charles Richardson was probably the first photographer I saw who made me sit up and recognize that a photograph doesn't have to be that sharp, bright, flash-frozen moment to pack an emotional and visual punch right between the eyes and then haunt you with a long echo of that punch.

I'm hugely inspired by people who take an idea or subject or a creative process and dig down deep into it and make it entirely their own, by people who immerse themselves in something and are prepared to go anywhere to find out where it takes them rather than jumping around following others.



Flickr, too, has had a major influence on me. In among the kittens and sunsets and birthday parties and gimmicks there's an incredible array of photographers sharing their images, one picture at a time as they work. In this giant flood of images it proves that it's entirely possible for originality and truly personal vision. And there's a willingness to connect on a level ground--all these people learning in public, playing and exploring, and bouncing ideas off each other. There are too many to name without missing people out, because almost every day I come across something new that makes my socks roll up and down. The momentum makes me giddy.

I've had incredible support, too, from fellow Flickr people, and the generosity of other artists knocks me over. I was hugely lucky to get to know Nicolai Morrisson. His spacetime work just floors me totally—and I covet it hugely--but he's also the best art friend I've got. We went from pointing at pictures and saying "ooh! pretty!" to each other in comments to this incredible friendship. He's the first person who made me think about my own photography beyond the level of "oh look, I made a picture" and he inspires me and shakes me up and kicks me in the brain on an almost daily basis and when he asks "why?" he just won't let me be dishonest or lazy and say "oh, because." Also, he's prevented me from having a hissy fit bonfire of the negatives more than once. He's one hell of a partner in crime.


CK

Katie

I really don't like talking about gear, but you use some unique equipment to create your images with

 

My basic kit is just a single camera, tripod, light meter, notebook, and four or six loaded double dark slides. If I'm going to be taking more than a dozen pictures, which is rare, I'll also carry a changing bag and a box of film.

I think I use a fairly stripped down set of stuff. For me, too many choices get in the way. The picture looks like loads of equipment, but that was for a three week journey around Morocco and I was planning to develop film as I went. I'm not a camera maker, so my main pinhole camera is a bought one, Lensless Camera Co, which takes 4x5" sheet film in normal holders. Obviously, as it's a pinhole camera, there's no lens in there, and things are determined by the focal length (it's wide angle, but not extremely so) and by the size of the pinhole. This one works at about f256, letting in tiny amounts of light which mean my exposures are long. In bright Moroccan deserts, I made a few exposures of a couple of seconds each, but mostly I'm working with exposures of three minutes, five minutes, ten minutes or more depending on where I am. The long exposures are the main reason I really enjoy using pinhole cameras, rather than being something to work around and fight against. For particular pictures, I'll deliberately drop the amount of light available so I can stretch out the length of making that one image. And I take a perverse pleasure in making pictures of black-clad figures against black backgrounds, which slows things down even more...

I've made a few cameras, but nothing more complicated than converting an existing box, and used others that people have made or converted for me, but except for an urge to move up to an 8x10" camera, I think I'll stick to using the one I've come to know and love so well for pinhole photographs.


CK

Katie

I understand you enjoy making books, can you tell me a little about that?

 

I started making books about ten years ago, and it's only recently that I've realized I make them for the same reasons I work with pinholes and both silver and alternative process prints: the need to make something tangible that I can hold in my hands, and the need to be fully involved at each stage of creating something.

The books started as a reaction to years of working with the web, all those hours spent making things that I could never touch and that would change when I stepped away from them. I enjoy working with my hands. And you can make a playful mess with paper and thread and glue and ink that you just can't get the same sense of with code and pixels. I have some background in type and print design, so my first books were small editions of fairy tales, bound Japanese style. Like with almost everything I learn, I start from books and then experiment to see if I can find methods that work for me and fit my head. (Real bookmakers would probably be horrified to see how I work.)

I started messing around with toy cameras as a reaction to getting into a knot with over-precise technical approaches to photography. I thought I should be making pictures a certain way, but it never felt right to me, and I hated the results. I think I might have been trying to make someone else's pictures, rather than my own. And yes, it was also a kickback against digital photography. There's the sense, with digital, that it's the camera not the photographer who makes the pictures. False, I know, but because you are removed from the process, I don't think it feels owned in the same way. Going back to the basics, back to the simplest form of camera in the world, developing my own film, hand-coating papers and making prints in sunlight, it feels like every step of the process from idea to print belongs to me. I get to understand how and why it works, and nudge the results at each step. In theory, I get how digital cameras work, but it's too far away.

Control freakery? Probably. But it's fun control freakier. And it's not about precision, but the involvement. I'd rather have an imperfect result that I could claim was truly my creation.

I've made a couple of books using my photos so far—using both tipped in images and inkjet transfers directly into the books—and want to do more. I've got a shockingly ambitious project in mind, which involves alt process printing and bookmaking, once I can get the courage together.


CK

Katie

What do you see yourself doing in
the future?

 

One of the problems with being off my feet and out of action at them moment is that I'm coming up with too many ideas, and can't follow through on them just yet. I think I'm going to be pretty busy later in the year. I want to keep pursuing the idea of time in a single image, wondering how much I can fit in there and still make it feel whole and not just a gimmick, playing with storytelling and portraiture, and that sense of remembering people and spaces.

I really want to push forwards with lens-based portrait stuff too. I'm not a pinhole-purist. Even though pinhole photography is my big love, I've got extra love spare for my Rolleiflex because it's the most unobtrusive camera I've ever met. It's not that other people don't notice it and coo at the pretty old camera, but that I don't notice it much when I'm using it. It doesn't make me press a dozen buttons it it doesn't try to impose its own ideas on me. It's a very well-mannered, almost invisible tool, and I think it's the right one for a couple of projects I'm trying to cook up. Unless I somehow magically acquire a large format field camera. Using my regular pinhole camera has given me expensive taste for ever increasing film sizes, and for contact printing.

I love finding my way through the whole printing process—the magic of seeing the image float up out of the developer hasn't worn off yet—and want to work more on both my regular silver printing and a lot more platinum and palladium too. The combination of those rich tones you can get and the beautiful paper textures make me stupidly happy. I was lucky enough to take a workshop with Kerik Kouklis last year, working with pt/pd and layers of gum bichromate over the top. He's an incredible teacher, and an amazing artist, and took the fear out of something that had seemed scarily complicated. I'm really hoping I'll get to learn how to work with wet plate collodion with him, maybe next year.

It's a whole garden of forking paths with almost too many turning to choose from. That's ok.
You can sometimes find the best things when you get lost for a bit.


There is something truly satisfying about meeting someone new and getting to know that person better. Since talking with Katie, she has inspired me to create a new series of pinhole images, I'm reading a new book on photography (Letting Go of the Camera, Essays on Photography and the Creative Life), I've learned of amazing new photographers and have been touched by her genuine kindness. Thank you Katie for taking the time to share your thoughts and ideas with all of us! -Chris

All images © 2007 Katie Cooke,, reproduced by permission


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